For those that really can't grok that HAMAS is the problem, that keep thinking this is a land dispute and that can't understand why it's so important that Hamas is totally eliminated for ANY peace talks to happen.

THIS IS NOT A TERRITORY OCCUPATION DISPUTE!

These are from the original Hamas "Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement” (Arabic: ميثاق حركة المقاومة الإسلامية) charter, published in 1988.

1. Denial of Israel’s Legitimacy
Article 11:
“The Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) does not accept the legitimacy of any sovereign state in Palestine, and no negotiations, talks, or peaceful coexistence with the Jews is conceivable.”

2. Call for the Elimination of Israel
Article 13:
“There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals, and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.”

Article 7:
“The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees.”

3. Religious Justification for Conflict
Article 22:
“The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf (endowment) consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgment Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: neither by any treaty nor by any agreement.”

4. Opposition to Peace Processes
Article 13:
“Hamas refuses to recognize any peaceful solution, any peace talks, or any coexistence with the Jews, whether under the curtain or otherwise.”

5. Hostility Towards Jews
Article 7 (Repeated Emphasis):
“The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews…”

6. Rejection of Secularism and Zionism
Article 7:
“The Islamic Resistance Movement views the Palestinian question as a religious, national, and social struggle…”

By asserting that Jihad is the only solution, Hamas positions itself as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian struggle, dismissing other political or diplomatic avenues.

And on top of this, the United Nations won't even use the word Hamas in their public statements about "the gangs with guns" attacking aid trucks and fighting inside Gaza, and they still claim that the Hamas Police are the best people to control this.

In 2017, Hamas "potentially" changed their stance on a 2 state solution with an "addition" to the original charter, but it did not remove anything from the original and the addition was under the caveat that it would NEVER accept the legitimacy of the state of Israel.

HAMSA is the problem in Gaza and the other Palestinian territories.

There will never be peace while the UN allow Hamas to stay - and Israel will NEVER stop until Hamas is gone... and while the west focus on vilifying Israel, they unwittingly keep this conflict going and going and going.

So WAKE THE FUCK up western governments and use your power to remove Hamas permanently and stop being a barrier to peace. Stop being part of the problem and start being part of the solution.

It breaks my heart to see children like this - carrying automatic and semi automatic weapons - dressed like resistance fighters, shouting their hate and lamenting in their desire to become a martyr for the cause.

This is not resistance - This is child abuse.

It's indoctrinated from birth - it's a vicious cycle the Palestinians are in, but rather than blasting and criticizing them (like I used to do myself) - we all need to rally and find ways to help the Palestinian people - not to free Palestine, but to free themselves from this cycle of hatred - to help them to WANT MORE FOR THEIR CHILDREN than this.

Teaching 6+ year old children how to use automatic weapons and honing their hate of everyone - Jews & Christians and praising their love of death and desire to become martyrs - it solves nothing other than killing their children and their future.

I don't have the answers, but I would love to have the conversation - what can we do to help them to want A LIFE for their children - a better life, a fulfilling life, of love and joy?

Everyone is so focused on what they “think” is happening in the conflict - Even the UN with their Israel bashing and twisting of laws to suit their rhetoric… I don’t see any of them championing the children that have no choice but to learn what is being fed to them from birth.

I don't see UNICEF challenging anyone. I thought UNICEF was "for every child"? Certainly not a Jewish child, but why not a Palestinian child being taught to want to kill and to desire a glorious death? How is this ok UNICEF?

This is immoral and goes against every “Child protection” organization anywhere in the western world, but everyone is focused on giving Hamas and the Islamist state what they want - A permanent state to launch their extinction of Israel from.... and that will end the child armies? No, that will just continue this cycle and more children will die.

Israel is killing Women and Children - Israel is evil ..... Islamists are teaching their children to kill and then killing them as a thanks, and Islamists are good? This is the fight you are all choosing to support? Your blind hatred for Israel prevents you from caring about what Palestinian parents are doing to their children?

The Palestinian Authority commando goes in
by Rebecca Bar Sef Now the Palestinian Authority is fighting Hamas and Child Hamas fighters are getting killed by their own people in the West Bank. Seriously, how do the Palestinians get a free pass for killing their own children and why is no one trying to stop it?

Why can't the world instead come together to help break the cycle of hatred - to prevent the next generation of children from being built into an army when they should be playing with their friends. That does NOT require a 2 state solution - or any land solution - It requires the protection of their children - and the breaking of the cycle of violence and indoctrination.

I’m not anti Muslims, and I am not anti the Palestinians - but I am anti Islamic Extremism - because this is what it does to it’s people - it makes them kill their children before they have a chance to live and experience what life could be, without the hatred.

What if the Palestinian leadership—Hamas and the Palestinian Authority—had taken the billions of dollars spent on tunnels and weapons and instead invested in enriching their people’s lives?

Imagine channeling those resources into building universities, fostering commerce and trade, and funding startups. Think of a society where people thrive through their own merits and take pride in their intellect, skills, and achievements.

What do you think that would look like for Palestine?

Israel is Evil!

Ok, let’s start by listing all of the ways Israel is evil - so we can get them out of the way and JUST talk about proportional response, ok?

Yes yes, I know… Israel is committing genocide - based on the “new and improved meaning of genocide” Amnesty International lawyers needed to create that allowed them to include Israel.

Yes yes, they are directly and intentionally targeting women and children under the guise of eliminating Hamas - based on, err, um, what Hamas says.

Yes yes, no one believes that Israel has taken any care to avoid any civilian casualties regardless of all the evidence to the contrary.

And yes yes, I know they've killed 50,000 (well, apparently up to 200,000) civilians now, 70% of them fully verified as being women and children, and none of which were Hamas militants, because, Israel has missed every attempt on those lucky boys, and yes, I am aware that the IDF are so evil, they've even had the audacity to kill many of the same people 3 or 4 times each! WHAT NERVE!

I get it - it all sounds plausible - we all have the facts - the proof, we can all see it with our own eyes - based on all of the specially hand-picked and carefully crafted imagery and messaging we are being bombarded with every, single, fucking, minute.

Ok, now that’s all out of the way - oh, wait, not quite, we also have to address the biased international law requirements that ONLY pertain to Israel. Damn.

International Law

It’s impossible to remove the international law requirements from Israel with regards to civilian casualties, because IHL (International Humanitarian Law) strictly states that:

• EVEN if the instigators illegally use civilians as human shields
• EVEN if the instigators illegally place military bases, weapons caches and military targets or any type under or inside or within a densely populated civilian area 0- even their own civilians
• EVEN if the instigators were 100% breaking every international law possible, including every IL and IHL Israel is being judged on
• EVEN THEN...

Israel would still have to do everything it can, including not retaliating at all, to ensure minimal to no loss of civilian life - even if the civilians are holding and shooting weapons, had been raping and beheading Israelis and even if they are holding Israeli hostages in their homes.

Israel would have to be able to, without any doubt, show a clear military target as the objective for the response.

So now that we are clear that it is ONLY Israel’s legal responsibility to NOT attack or harm civilians and Hamas is under NO obligation to follow IHL (or any IL), we can move on.

Let's define Proportional Response

First, we need to decide what a proportional response is - and that should be quite easy. I think we can all agree on these right?

• If you slap me across the face, I can slap you across the face - that’s very clear.
• If you punch me in the guts, I can punch you back in the guts.
• If you kick me in nuts, I'll definitely kick you in the nuts - if you have them.
• If you throw a brick through my window, I can throw the same sized, colour, shape brick back through yours. Gotta be fair.
• If you set my house on fire, I can set your house on fire. If my house is bigger than your house, I might set 2 of your houses on fire to be fair.

We are not talking about what’s legal here - as we already agree legal obligations don’t apply to Hamas, so proportionally, they don’t apply to Israel anymore. Sorry ICC.

Time for a kick in the nuts!
I checked, you have some, they are small and wrinkled, but definitely nuts.

OK, Great, So…

In 2023 alone, over 12,000 rockets were fired into Israel from terrorist organisations.

source: www.mideastjournal.org

For fairness, let’s be really conservative and say only 1200 of those (10%) were from Gaza.

So, Gaza fires one rocket into Israel, Israel can fire one of the same rockets back. A clear and agreed-upon proportional response.

How many rockets do you think Gaza gets to fire into Israel before there is no Gaza left - no West Bank left, no people at all left? I’d guess maybe 200.

So suddenly, a proportional response becomes far more disproportional than what Israel is currently doing. What?

Israel has invested billions of dollars into building defenses to protect its people against decades of constant rocket attacks from Gaza and other Iranian proxies.

Hamas has spent billions of dollars buying more rockets.

But, wait, Hamas have no defensive capability because they only invested in aggression - not their people, so they’re kinda screwed with a proportional response.

I’m not sure if this distinction is clear enough for you all, so just in case it’s not: if Hamas spent that money on defensive measures, instead of rockets, then no rockets would get fired, and no civilians would be harmed on either side.

Does shit stick to a wall?

Just throwing faeces against the down-ball wall here, but - if Hamas spent those billions of dollars on making Gaza a paradise, building industry and export markets, building universities, making strategic business alliances with the West, to become a business powerhouse in the Middle East, enriching the lives of their people in the process - then no rockets would get fired, and no civilians would be harmed.

Conclusions?

Anyway, after all of this talk, I think we can ALL agree, a proportional response from Israel would have been way worse.

Thanks for reading.